"Roe v. Wade was overturned, and now the states are—rightfully so—deciding for themselves whether or not abortion will be legal or illegal, and several states made it illegal. So, what happens to those abortion clinics? So, they have gone from being abortion mills to gender confusion factories. And now you can go in there—don't have to tell your parents. 'Everything's fine, we'll give you a breast binder, we'll give you drugs, and we can even set you up for surgery.' It's a new economy for them."
Kimberly Fletcher is the president and founder of Moms for America, a national movement of mothers fighting for liberty, family, and the Constitution.
"If you can't show it on TV and you can't air it on the radio, then you can't have it in the classroom. So, that's a pretty simple standard. It's already a standard that’s set by the FCC [Federal Communications Commission]. You can go to fcc.com, and you can see what is the standard. We have parental guidance, we have ratings on movies, we have literature that says, ‘Okay, this is for this age. This is for that age.’ Why don't we have that in schools? Why is parental guidance in schools taboo?" says Ms. Fletcher.
We dive into the problems with America's education system and discuss "Gender Transformation: The Untold Realities," a new EpochTV documentary film that explores the harms associated with gender ideology and transitioning minors.
Watch the clip:
"You think that you're sending your children to school and they're going to get the same things that you got when you went to school. You're going to get history lessons. You're going to get reading and writing and classical literature. And what I was seeing was a lot of sex. They had these books on sex and they were literally introducing sexual concepts to children as early as kindergarten," says Ms. Fletcher.
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Jan Jekielek: Kimberly Fletcher, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.
Kimberly Fletcher: Thank you. I'm so excited to be here with you.
Mr. Jekielek: Kimberly, I'm very excited that The Epoch Times had the opportunity to partner with Moms for America on the Gender Confusion resource that you have created. We combined it with our, “Gender Transformation: The Untold Realities,” documentary and we just had this amazing panel discussion. I'll direct our viewers to check that out once they watch our interview. I want to publish this little clip at the beginning of the interview to explain this resource. Please tell us about the film as well.
Ms. Fletcher: Absolutely. We put together the Gender Confusion booklet after our Parental Rights Guide booklet. We also did several other booklets to empower our parents on what issues are facing their children. The gender confusion issue has just skyrocketed. Parents are very concerned and want to know where this is coming from, what their children are being exposed to, and what they can do about it.
That's really what the booklet is about. It explains everything behind this movement and its agenda, what the children are faced with in school and in the culture, and how they can address this to protect their children. When the Gender Transformation film came to our inbox, I said, "Oh my gosh, this is the film that is going to change this conversation."
“Gender Transformations: Untold Realities,” is the perfect name for this much needed film. I'm encouraging parents everywhere to watch this film and share it with your pastors, with your doctor, with the school board members, and with the teachers. The film makes it really easy for us to explain what the situation is, because it directly talks about a mother and her child and what she and her daughter went through. It also talks about all of the facts behind where this is coming from and why it is such a danger to our children and our culture.
The combination of the film and the resource guide and then being able to do the gender confusion panel event that we did together is the launchpad for pausing this conversation and turning it back to where it needs to go.
Mr. Jekielek: The Epoch Times is partnering with Moms for America on your Gender Confusion resource. It is very powerful, succinct and useful in combination with our Gender Transformation film, which we just premiered here in DC, alongside a panel of people that you brought in. The film is the incredibly powerful story of Abigail Martinez and it is heart-wrenching. You can essentially see the process that her daughter went through.
This was compiled through knowledge from actual detransitioners that appear in the film. It's a nice summary of a whole lot of information that we weren't able to put together to date. Gender confusion, as it's called, is not just among the kids, but it's in our society. We don't really know what's going on.
Ms. Fletcher: It's a really hard subject to process because no one would believe that this is actually happening to children. But you can see it in this story of a mother and a child—this is a real mother, a real daughter, and a real story.
Speaker 3: My name is Abigail Martinez. It has been three years and 164 days since I lost my daughter, Jaylee. I miss her every single day. Let me tell you how she died. My daughter was murdered by a gender ideology. CPS took my daughter when she was 16 years old. It was held by her public school counselor and LGBTQ group rights and another trans-identify girl. My daughter was taken from her loving home because the state of California claimed I was abusive for not affirming her trans identity. I lost my daughter over a name and pronouns. Even after I promised to call her a male name, it wasn't enough. My daughter was not a boy trapped in a girl's body.
She had mental health issues. Against my consent, my daughter was given testosterone instead of therapy. The LGBTQ group used her to raise money for them. “Look at the poor rejected trans boy,” they said. Why are there so many transgender in foster care? Because of this, they take them from their families, tell them to run, then steal them.
Parents are given one option to treat their distressed child—affirm drugs and remove their healthy body parts—or else lose your child. The abuse claim against me was finally dropped, but it was too late. The damage was done. Then my daughter was in horrible mental and physical pain.
My daughter knelt down in front of a train. She was murdered by gender ideology. I beg you, stop pushing gender ideology. I don't want any parent to feel what I feel every day. Affirmation is not good for the health, safety, and welfare of any child.
Ms. Fletcher: This is not the only story, you can see several in the film. We've also had moms reach out to us, and we've had teachers reach out to us who are very concerned about what they're forced to teach the children in the classroom. They don't want to teach this to their students. When they feel that way and they want to tell somebody, they are afraid, because they'll lose their job or they'll lose opportunities and advancements, so they're really in a very difficult place.
The fact is, there are a lot more people that are opposed to this than there are that support it. But they don't know that they're not alone. That's one of the things that we wanted parents, teachers, and school board members to know, you're not alone. If we unite together, we can stand against this and protect the children.
Mr. Jekielek: Let’s talk about this incredible resource that you have developed. Before we go there, Moms for America has been around long before this issue, correct?
Ms. Fletcher: Yes. I founded the organization in Dayton, Ohio in 2004. Largely, it was because of two different events that happened. One was 9/11. My husband was stationed at the Pentagon on 9/11 and through a series of miracles, he came home safe that day. But that was the day that changed me. I started to ask questions, “How did we get here?” I also asked, “Where are we going?” That literally was the day that I went from being patriotic to being a patriot.
I went on an exhaustive research journey after that, looking at everything I could get my hands on about America's history and heritage. I started to go to school board meetings and city council meetings. I ended up running for school board in 2003, and that was when an entire world opened up to me that I did not know was happening.
You think that you're sending your children to school and they're going to get the same things that you got when you went to school. You're going to get history lessons, you're going to get reading and writing and classical literature. What I was seeing was a lot of sex. They had these books on sex and they were literally introducing sexual concepts to children as early as kindergarten.
I couldn't understand why they had these books in schools. I asked those questions and I got a lot of pushback. That is what got me on the path of trying to help parents understand what was happening in the classroom. For two decades I was trying to convince parents, “This is what's happening. You need to be aware of this.” They just looked at me like a helicopter parent with a tinfoil hat, until 2020 came around.
Then they were seeing this in their own living rooms on their own computers, while their children were having classes. They were seeing what their children were being exposed to. The teachers were telling the parents, “Don't watch this.” What? That's when parents started to realize that this was real and that we needed to stand up against it.
Mr. Jekielek: As early as 2003, this was already in the classrooms. How prevalent was it?
Ms. Fletcher: There's a book that a lot of parents have actually purchased or pulled from the library. They're bringing it to all these events to help other parents realize this is what our children are being exposed to. The main book that they use is, It's Perfectly Normal. It's a book that is filled with graphic designs, pictures, and drawings of naked individuals of all different ages. It shows a young girl masturbating and explains how to do it. It has a boy giving oral sex to another boy. There are graphic pictures of all of these different things.
The parents said, "Oh my gosh, have you seen this book?" They were showing it to other parents. I said, “Did you look at the publishing date?” It was published in 1994. They have had this in classrooms from kindergarten to sixth grade. It has been pushed specifically for elementary school for 30 years now.
They started the Genderbread Person graphic 15 years ago. If parents haven't seen that yet, they need to. Look it up online, and you'll see it, because your children have seen it. If they haven't seen that one, then they may have seen the Gender Unicorn, because they decided that the Genderbread Person was too masculine, so they moved to the Gender Unicorn. They're using these beloved story characters to get into the hearts of children, and put these radical ideas and confusion into their hearts and minds.
They call it a classical way to teach children gender identity. It goes to the heart, to who you love or are attracted to, to your brain, to what you feel like, to your genitals, and to what you were born with. They create this whole conversation around this brochure that's created by a man named Metrosexual. You can't make this stuff up.
Mr. Jekielek: You've been at this for some decades, probably longer than a lot of people that are watching right now. Why do you think this is happening?
Ms. Fletcher: I can talk about what I know from history as to why it's happening. You can look back at how the biggest, most heinous, evil despots in our lifetime did it. They took over countries, cultures, societies, and whole nations through the children. Mao did it, Hitler did it, and Stalin did it. When you go back and you read their own words, they will tell you that if you want to own the future, you go after the children.
They're creating a lot of confusion among the children so that they are not sure who they are anymore. They are being disenfranchised from their parents. Our schools are literally teaching our children every day to hate their country, hate their neighbors, hate themselves, question who they are, and to disenfranchise from their parents. The whole goal of this ideology is to destroy the republic. They want to take away the last bastion of freedom in the world.
How do you do that? You do it by creating a nation of citizens who don't know what America is about, that don't even understand their own identity, and who are willing to follow any ideology that's thrown their way that sounds good. They're using the teacher's unions to do this. The school system has become the most powerful conduit to get to the children in order to create the future that they want.
It's more than just the National School Board Association. The National School Board Association that declared us to be domestic terrorists has an affiliate in every single state. Then there's the Superintendent's Association, the Law Director's Association, and the Principal's Association. All these associations are paid for with our own tax dollars from district funds. These districts are pushing these agendas that are coming from the teacher's unions.
Mr. Jekielek: A lot of people think that everything you're describing is really crazy. But when people started openly questioning the idea that parents should direct the education of their children, that was astonishing to me. The Virginia governor's race was possibly lost on that issue. This has somehow become an acceptable point of discourse. It feels like we've crossed the Rubicon on this issue.
Ms. Fletcher: No one is going to love your children like you do. The government wants to step in and say, “We're going to manage your child's life.” If they don't like what you're feeding them, or the church that you're going to, or if the child decides they want to transition, the government says, “We are going to step in and we're going to protect that child from the parent.” That's really where we are right now.
The first time that this really hit the airwaves in a public way was about 8 to 10 years ago, and I do not remember the woman who said it. I think she was someone who did media commentary. She did this video and she was just straight-faced and had no problem saying this. She really believed it. She said, “They're not your children. They're our children. The children belong to the community.” No, they don't. These are our children and we are going to raise, teach, and nurture them. That is our right, and that is our responsibility.
We saw the direction this was going in a very dramatic way a few years ago. In 2017, we wrote a document called, “The Declaration of Mothers,” and it clearly states that parents' rights are fundamental and supreme. Fundamental is a legal term. When we use that term, then the courts, the school district, and everyone has to acquiesce to the parents first. This is the parental rights law that we at Moms for America are pushing and promoting. We want to make sure that every state has it listed that parents' rights are fundamental—that we have parental rights and it is fundamental.
No government agency can replace a parent or a family. The goal for all of these organizations, whether it's a church, a government institution, or a community organization is to support the family—not regulate, restrict or replace it. That document was entered into the congressional record in 2018. We are serious about making sure that everybody understands that parents' rights are fundamental, and we are going to exercise them.
Mr. Jekielek: Child protective services are now looking at parents who refuse to follow the gender-affirming care model which the school is involved in. Presumably there is some rule where the government can step in when parents are supposedly being abusive. What is that line and how do you define that line?
Ms. Fletcher: If a child is being neglected or physically abused, that is the line. The problem is that they're trying to redefine abuse as not doing whatever the child wants. If you are not transitioning your child, if you are not accepting the pronouns, if you're not using the pronouns, if you are not adopting their new name, then you are now abusive. The schools have gone way out of their way to keep this information from parents.
I have had numerous conversations with teachers, administrators, and with parents who have been in this situation where the teacher is being told, “Do not tell the parents if the child decides that she is now a boy.” This happened in Nebraska in the middle of a cornfield town. This is happening everywhere. When people think it's just in California or New York, it's really everywhere. This is happening everywhere there is a teacher's union, and every school district has a teacher's union.
Teachers are being bullied and intimidated because of these absolutely unconstitutional, illegal actions that schools are taking. But they're doing it in the name of care, and that is what's confusing to people. When you say things like gender-affirming care, you think you're showing love and compassion, when you're actually confusing these children at a time when their frontal lobe isn't even fully developed.
Your frontal lobe is what determines all of your decision-making capabilities. That is not fully developed until 21 to 25-years-old. We are asking seven-year-olds to determine whether or not they're a boy or a girl, and 14-year-olds to determine whether or not they want to have their breasts or genitals removed. This is absolute child abuse. If you want to talk about abuse, it's not being perpetrated by the parents. It's being perpetrated by the system.
Mr. Jekielek: When you say the child's right is supreme, two things come to mind. Number one, a lot of kids like to be rebellious and that's just part of life. Number two is that they don't know a lot of things. The family provides that. But in this situation, you're saying that now the system gets to decide.
Ms. Fletcher: Right. There is a mom in Maine who found a breast binder in her daughter's room. She asked her daughter, “Where did you get this?” She said, “I got it from the school counselor.” From that situation, we became aware that school districts across the country are being given money from the federal government and state governments to create this type of so-called care in the schools and the classrooms. They are hiring full-time counselors or part-time consultants to come in, whose sole responsibility is to transition children. Their goal is to complete the transition in two weeks. That's their goal—a two week transition.
Mr. Jekielek: It sounds like their purpose is to transition people who aren't even thinking about it. What do you mean exactly when you say this?
Ms. Fletcher: It's gotten to the point now where a boy who doesn't make the sports team, maybe he would be more comfortable as a girl. A student maybe is feeling alone and withdrawn, and doesn't feel like they're connecting with the other kids in the class. Then a teacher may recommend that they see a counselor in the school. They automatically ask them the question, “Do you feel more comfortable as a boy? Would you be happier as a girl?”
They say, “I don't know,” because they're confused. Nobody is addressing what caused them to get to that point. Nobody is asking, “Why do you feel uncomfortable in your body? Why do you feel disconnected from your peers?” Nobody is asking those questions. They just go right to, “Would you rather be a boy? Would you rather be a girl?”
Mr. Jekielek: You're basically saying that this is being pushed as the solution to whatever these confusion problems might be.
Ms. Fletcher: Yes. It's covering up whatever the underlying issue is, and we have seen this multiple times. This mom in Maine became so concerned she went to the principal and said, “This isn't okay.” He sided with the counselor. She then went to the school board meeting and addressed it there. The child is doing much better now. But back then, the child was confused. The kids in the class started asking her questions. They had been supporting her in this, and it was creating confusion for this child.
Somebody asked me a couple months ago, “Where did it all come from? Did we just not see it before? Was this gender identity crisis always there and now it's just coming to the surface?” No, it's being manufactured, and they have the solution. They have to create the problem, because the solution comes with money. Where the money really takes root and where they really maximize their income is when they actually do surgery.
It starts with the transition question. Then they put them into these clubs where everybody makes them feel like they're a part of something. They all start to commiserate about their issues. They say things like, “I want to be a boy. Nobody accepts me. They should accept the fact that I'm a boy now. They don't accept my pronouns.” That's all they talk about.
A lot of these kids have been physically abused, emotionally abused, and sexually abused. Some of them are on the spectrum, some of them have been bullied or intimidated, and some have felt neglected. They're preying on kids who have concerns and problems and issues and challenges. We should be helping them move from victimhood to survivorhood. Instead, we're making them into bigger victims, and into a place where they just can't seem to escape.
One of the detransitioners that we had on our podcast told us that at the time this was happening, the people who should have protected them, who they trusted the most and who should have loved them, abandoned them and pushed them through the pipeline. Now, they're struggling with a relationship with their parents.
They think, “How can I have a relationship with a parent who did this to me? Why didn't they protect me? Why didn't they tell me the truth?” Jan, that's the reason why this film is so powerful. Because you can see this for yourself and you can show this to your children. You can have your teens and your preteens sit and watch with you, so they can see the truth. They have to know that this is not okay.
The parents need to know you're being lied to. Some of the parents are just doing this because they really feel like they're caring for their children. But you can see in this film the process of what this mother and this daughter went through. All the kids in this school were being taught that this is what you need to do. In reality, you need to protect them and make them feel good about themselves.
But what about why are they feeling this way? No one is talking about the root cause. They're just masking it with this ideology. It has become a billion-dollar business to torture and mutilate children. It needs to stop. This film is the way that we can turn the conversation.
Mr. Jekielek: The theme that comes up in a lot of American Thought Leaders' interviews is the fusion of this unreal ideology with powerful financial incentives. You can see this discussed in the general health freedom movement. In the film, Jennifer Bilek talks about this as well. Are you seeing this too?
Ms. Fletcher: There is incentivization on multiple levels, and we can just go back to the bathrooms. The federal government decided that you needed to have boys and girls in the same bathroom. You can't dictate to any school district or state or county what to do with their money. The federal government has no authority whatsoever to do that, and neither does the president of the United States.
But what they can do is bribe and blackmail us with our own money. We send in our tax dollars and then they use those dollars against us. Our tax dollars are largely paying for the tyranny and oppression when all of these things come about. The federal government will say, “If you have a co-ed bathroom, and locker rooms for boys and girls that are coming together in the same place, then we're going to give you this bundle of money.”
The school district says, “Free money, okay.” They take the money and then they have to hire all these lawyers to figure out how to spend it, which costs them more money. They're actually spending money outside of what they're getting from the federal government to figure out how to spend the money that the federal government gave them. It sounds convoluted, because it is.
The money will go to the school district. They go to the law directors and say, "We have this money. This is what they said we have to spend it on. How do we do it?" The reply is, “You're going to have to have open sex bathrooms.” Suddenly parents start to show up and say, "No, we're not okay with that." They've already received the money, so what are they going to do? Give it back?
I was very impressed with a superintendent in Georgia who was a hero. I wish I could remember his name, but he was a hero superintendent. They're not all bad, and there are some really good ones out there. He said, “Keep your money. We don't want your money. We're going to protect our children. We're going to have bathrooms for boys and bathrooms for girls.” There is a very, very small part of our society that suffers from gender dysphoria. There is a very small portion of society that does deal with this. How do you deal with this? You don't change the laws and the policies and make every child in the school feel unsafe because one child doesn't feel comfortable in either bathroom.
Every school has at least one bathroom that they can use in the teacher's lounge and in the nurse's department. In Arizona, this just happened. They were trying to push this policy where the boys and the girls had to go in the same bathroom, because one boy decided that he wanted to be a girl, and the girls were afraid of him. He was very big and they were intimidated.
I know when men go into the bathroom, they don't have a problem exposing themselves. Women are much more private. When you go into a women's bathroom and they have five stalls and there's a big line and one of the stalls doesn't have a door, those women will stay in line and wait for a stall that opens that has a door. They will not use that stall that doesn't have a door. Women are already very private, and then you're bringing in a man or a boy into the bathroom, making them feel very uncomfortable.
These girls in Arizona showed up to the school board meeting and said, “We're not okay with this.” The school board realized they had to do something, because they were getting pressure from everywhere. They were talking about doing this policy and they were on the cusp of passing it. These girls said, “Okay, we have to do something. We have to stand up against this.”
They decided to line up at nine o'clock in the morning outside the nurse's bathroom, and there was a line of 40 of these girls. They took pictures and videos and they made a statement, “We're going to stand in line and we're going to wait for this bathroom, because this is the only bathroom in the school where we now feel safe.”
Mr. Jekielek: Yes, I recall that action. It's remarkable because it was a student activity, which we don't see as much. Your group has been quite involved in all sorts of actions, not just in this gender realm. I want people to know more about what Moms for America is all about and what you're doing.
Ms. Fletcher: We're very concerned about our freedom and the future of our country for our children. Our motto is from Thomas Jefferson; “Adore God, have reverence for and cherish your parents, love your neighbor as yourself and your country more than yourself.” We could all agree on those things; the Golden Rule and common sense. What Moms for America is about is empowering moms, promoting liberty, and raising patriots. We are a national movement of moms reclaiming our culture for truth, family, freedom, and the Constitution.
Sometimes that means standing on the border and saying, “Moms and children are the first line of defense for everything coming across this border, and this is not okay.’ Sometimes it's standing up in the school boards and saying, "This policy is not all right and we're going to stand against it." But the core of what we do and the most important thing that we do is teach what America is about.
Our signature program is the Cottage Meeting Project. We're forming moms groups all across the country where they can go through this series in their home or online. It's really giving them a classical arts education, teaching them the true story of America, what their rights are, where they come from, and how to effectively exercise them. That's a game changer for them, and we hear all the time that it's life changing.
Mr. Jekielek: Is this the Mama Bear Training?
Ms. Fletcher: The Mama Bear Training is an extension of that. The Mama Bear Training is where we help them understand history. We go through the history of the three main despots of our time. Most people in this country are just deceived. Those who want to destroy the very fabric of our nation and tear down the republic are the real enemy. When people realize this they can then say, “We just have to combat this.
We give them all the resources and tell them about our booklets. We talk to them about going to school board meetings and branding themselves so that people will recognize them. We make it about staying local and we make it about moms. Be positive, but be strong. When you go in and you're just angry and yelling at those people on the school board, you're creating enemies before you know who your friends are. Therefore, we encourage them to create relationships.
The cottage meetings are all-inclusive. You learn this important information about what America is, why it's worth fighting for, what your rights are, and how to exercise them. We give them the tools to do that through the Mama Bear Training, and then they can walk into those school boards. We're not just flipping school boards, and we're not just getting new people into those positions. We're actually moving school board members in the other direction.
Topeka, Kansas, just did an article on us. They interviewed the state director for the teacher's union. They asked her, “What do you think about all the changes in the school boards with these parents coming in?” She said, “We fear Moms for America because they're moving people in the wrong direction.” It’s not because we're showing up yelling, but because we are using truth and facts, just like you guys do at The Epoch Times. That is why I love The Epoch Times. I am literally a walking commercial for The Epoch Times.
I tell all these parents, “If you want to know what's really going on in the world, and if you want to know what's really happening in our own country, go to the real news source, and you will find the truth.” I know they're hungry for it and seeking it. We have also become a clearinghouse for all those trusted news resources.
We do the homework, we test them out, we find out what are the best resources, and then we make them available to parents. They know that when they come to our website, they're going to find things they can trust, and news sources they can believe in.
Mr. Jekielek: You went from being patriotic to becoming a patriot. What do you mean by that?
Ms. Fletcher: We almost changed our third pillar. Our three pillars are; empower moms, promote liberty, and raise patriots. We almost changed that pillar because it has been weaponized against us, and they have made it a bad word. They say, "The J6ers, they're patriots. People who are nationalists, they're patriots." America isn't about geography, and it's not about rocks or villages. It's an ideal, and patriotism is loyalty to that ideal.
Here in America, that ideal is freedom, equality, justice for all. That's what patriotism is. Aren't those values that we should all unite behind? You brought up a really good point about monetization, and you can look back in history at the slavery movement. The people who made a lot of money on slavery just looked the other way. They didn't want to know.
A patriot will not look the other way. A patriot will make the sacrifices, will take the hits, will stand up for the truth, just like our founding families did. It wasn't just the Founding Fathers. It wasn't just the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, because they knew that when they put their names on there, it was putting their whole families, their wives, their children, their homes, their property, and everything on the line.
I've read about those women and I've read their own words. They were telling their men, “Get out there and sign that document.” It was Mark Twain who said, "A patriot is scorned and maligned. But once the thing is accomplished, then everybody wants to be a patriot." Because then there is no sacrifice involved, and there's nothing to lose.
Mr. Jekielek: In the panel, you mentioned the story, “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” It's actually a very powerful lesson, isn’t it?
Ms. Fletcher: It is, and it's something that everybody can understand. For anyone watching who does not know the story, “The Emperor's New Clothes,” you can look it up online. It's a classic story by Hans Christian Andersen. I'm encouraging parents to read it to their children every night, because they will start to recognize that when something isn't true, you have the power to stand up and speak out.
I would highly recommend that parents find good stories like that where you can have conversations. We sometimes don't want to have to have these conversations with our children, because we want our children to keep their innocence, but their innocence is actually being stolen from them.
We need to have tough conversations with our children. We may lose our children if we don't have these conversations. We need to be at the crossroads when they come home from school and say, "Hey, how was your day?" Don't settle for the answer, "Fine," and then they just walk away.
No, don't settle for that. You could say, "Tell me about it. What did you work on? What did you talk about?" Be at the crossroads in their lives. It is worth the time and the sacrifice. You will save your children, because then they will be able to stand up for themselves.
Mr. Jekielek: I want to touch on this story, because it’s really about power dynamics, isn't it? The emperor is all powerful and no one wants to say anything, even though they all know that he is wearing no clothes. Maybe some of those people actually believe him. Over the last few years, some of us are very susceptible to believing things like that. But most people will say, “This is weird, but I'm not going to say anything.”
Ms. Fletcher: Nobody wants to be the person that raises their hand and says, "This is not okay. Something is wrong here."
Mr. Jekielek: But the moment someone innocently says, "There's something different going on here," it allows others to say, "Okay, then I can say it now." There is a strange dynamic today that demands we accept absurd ideas. You just don't feel like you can say anything, because of that fear of ostracism. Obviously, you have a different view here.
Ms. Fletcher: People don't realize that they're not alone. That's why “The Emperor's New Clothes" is such a great story. All the people in the town are saying, "He knows he doesn't have clothes on, right?" Then they say, "Wait a minute, maybe we're just not seeing them." The king was convinced that he was wearing clothes. These two carpet beggars come in and say, "We're going to sew you some new clothes." Then there's nothing and he's getting paid to wear nothing. It was one little child in a crowd of people who said, “The emperor's wearing no clothes.” Suddenly everybody says, "Oh my gosh, he really isn't wearing clothes." It just takes that one person.
Mr. Jekielek: I wonder if “The Emperor’s New Clothes” is even available in some libraries these days. We keep hearing about these crazy conservative people wanting to ban books. That term is very much like the “Don't say gay” Florida bill, which had absolutely nothing to do with don't say gay. But it was very, very good marketing, because you wouldn’t want to stand against that. Banning books is very similar, but we're not talking about banning books. At the same time, perhaps there are all sorts of classics that aren't available in children's libraries anymore.
Ms. Fletcher: We're not the ones who are banning books. They are. The people who are pulling all the classics out are saying, "We don't want to have those books in here because it talks about this or it talks about that," or they're just purging them and not letting us know.
Classic literature like that story and several others taught us valuable principles. They were simple classic books like Charlotte's Web. It's really hard to find these anymore. They're certainly not having them in schools and classrooms for the most part. They're reintroducing other things like It's Perfectly Normal.
When children read and hear these stories, it changes them. If you want them to know what good looks like, you need to show them what good looks like. If you just tell a child to be good, how are they going to know what that means? Whatever we're feeding them through these books and stories that they're hearing, that's what they're going to take in. That's why this agenda is so dangerous.
We have been working really hard to find ways to protect the children and empower the parents. One of those ways is our FCC Standard bill, and it passed in Texas, Louisiana, and Virginia. We have 12 states that will be introducing it through our moms in the next session. It's very simple—if you can't show it on TV and you can't air it on the radio, then you can't have it in the classroom. That's a pretty simple standard.
It's already a standard that has been set by the FCC. You can go to fcc.com and you can see the standard. We have parental guidance, we have ratings on movies, we have literature that said, “This is for this age. This is for that age.” Why don't we have that in schools?
Why is parental guidance in schools taboo? Why can't we rate something and say, "According to FCC standards, this would be a no-no. This is not appropriate." I'm not saying put the FCC Standard in the bill. The bill doesn't say FCC standard. It just follows the standard that the FCC has set.
If parents want to find out more about that, they can go to fccstandard.com and it has all the information about the bill. It even has the federal language that talks about grooming. Planned Parenthood is perfectly happy with skipping in and taking over when a teacher feels uncomfortable teaching a lesson. Planned Parenthood is touting the fact that they can transition a child and get it solid with one consultation—one consultation at Planned Parenthood.
One of the things that Abby Johnson brought up when we spoke with her was, “What are you going to do when suddenly your economy is crashing? Roe v. Wade was overturned, and now the states are rightfully deciding for themselves whether or not abortion will be legal or illegal. Several states have made it illegal, so what happens to those abortion clinics?’
They have gone from being abortion mills to gender confusion factories. Now you can go in there, you don't have to tell your parents, and everything's fine. They say, “We'll give you a breast binder, we'll give you drugs, and we can even set you up for surgery.” It's a new economy for them.
Mr. Jekielek: What do we actually know about this? Has this been documented?
Ms. Fletcher: Yes. There are several stories that have come out about this. There are Planned Parenthood representatives, operatives, employees who have openly spoken about it and have been caught on camera. We have been told by teachers and counselors that they are being told that the goal is to transition in two weeks.
Mr. Jekielek: Does that mean to have them accept this new identity?
Ms. Fletcher: Yes. They go from questioning to, “I am now a boy,” or "I am now a girl,” contrary to what they actually are physically. Then when someone then tries to tell them anything to the contrary, they now have this person as their advocate. There is a true statement in the medical and mental health industry that whoever gets to you first becomes the expert, which is why parents need to get to their children first.
Because once they go through that two week transition, that person becomes the expert and they won't listen to anybody else. Everyone else becomes the enemy. That person will start to tell them and reinforce this idea, “They're not accepting you, so they don't care about you like I do.” It's called grooming.
Mr. Jekielek: Whoever gets to you first becomes the expert. Does that mean that parents have to get to their kids first on every single issue?
Ms. Fletcher: Parents need to have constant conversations with their children and be at the crossroads of your children's lives, so that you can see warning signs. We actually have a video that we put together about that. What are the warning signs to look for when your children could be in that situation on any subject? They start to become withdrawn. They spend more time in their room alone. They decide that they're not hungry. There are various different warning signs.
The goal is to create that relationship with your children before the warning signs even happen, but you also need to recognize the warning signs when they start. You can have conversations with your children without actually conversing by reading books and stories to them. There's another really great one by Matt Walsh called, Johnny the Walrus. Every parent needs to read that book too.
It's a cute little board book. It talks about how Johnny decided he was a walrus. Suddenly the world says, "Mom, that's not just something he's playing with. It's not just a game. You need to accept that he is a walrus." In reality, this is what's happening to parents these days. This is actually what is happening. My five-year-old granddaughter thinks she's a butterfly. Should I send her up to the top of the roof and say, “Fly away, little butterfly?”
It's our responsibility as parents to have those conversations where we're introducing the truth, so that they can recognize the lies and deception. They won't always recognize the lies, even when we're laying that groundwork of truth. Sometimes they're going to fall prey to it.
That's why we have to have that continued relationship. There's a great quote that says, "Mothers write on the hearts of their children things the world can never erase." Whatever we write on the hearts of our children, that is what will stand against the world, and it will stand the test of time.
Mr. Jekielek: This has been a fascinating conversation. Any final thoughts as we finish up?
Ms. Fletcher: I would encourage every parent out there to watch, “Gender Transformation: The Untold Stories.” I want to reiterate that again. The more people that see this film; pastors, parents, doctors, and teens, the greater our standpoint will be. They'll be able to see the truth, they'll be able to see reality, and we'll be able to turn this conversation around.
Mr. Jekielek: Kimberly Fletcher, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show.
Ms. Fletcher: Thank you.
Mr. Jekielek: Thank you all for joining Kimberly Fletcher and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I'm your host, Jan Jekielek.
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