“The human rights abuses and the crackdowns on dissent and all of the terrible things that you see in China? Our elites love those things.”
In this episode, I sit down with Seamus Bruner, co-author of “Controligarchs: Exposing the Billionaire Class, their Secret Deals, and the Globalist Plot to Dominate Your Life.”
“The [World Economic Forum] members control more than the entire GDP of the United States, more than the GDP of China,” says Mr. Bruner. “So, they're more powerful, economically speaking, than pretty much any country in the world.”
Mr. Bruner breaks down the American billionaires at the heart of the swamp, and separates fact from fiction as to how much money and control globalist oligarchs really wield.
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“OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, which is making these technologies—I don't think it's a coincidence that they are funding study after study on universal basic income. And a universal basic income, I mean, do people think that they’re going to get a UBI of a million dollars a year and get to live the lifestyle of the very wealthy? No. It’s going to be approximately $20 to $30,000 a year,” says Mr. Bruner. “There won’t be a way to climb up. What America is so loved and cherished for is the ability to climb the ranks and build a life for yourself. It will be this more impoverished class.”
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Jan Jekielek: Seamus Bruner, so good to have you back on American Thought Leaders.
Seamus Bruner: It's always a pleasure to be with you, Jan.
Mr. Jekielek: It's been a few years since we talked about Fallout, your book with John Solomon. Your current book, Controligarchs, delves into the realm of what five or ten years ago would be considered complete conspiracy theories, except that I am very familiar with your work. You're extremely meticulous and everything you do is very well documented. Before we continue, how did you get into all this?
Mr. Bruner: I studied political science in college. I'm ashamed to admit that I wanted to go into politics or possibly even lobbying. I'm less ashamed about politics, more about lobbying. I studied Mandarin in college, and thought I might want to be a lobbyist for China, that's how naive I was. I thought, “That seems like a profitable endeavor.” Then I volunteered for this gentleman named Peter Schweizer, who your viewers are probably familiar with. It was just one book by Peter Schweizer, titled, Throw Them All Out, that disabused me of all notions of being a lobbyist or being in politics.
I just found it was so much more fun to follow the money and expose the corruption, because I've always been passionate about exposing government corruption. I am eight books later with Peter Schweizer here. Working on the Clinton Cash book was one of my favorites, and also exposing the Biden ties to China. We found the Bohai Harvest billion dollar private equity deal.
We really blew the lid off of the Ukraine Burisma story that would be in the book, Secret Empires. I wrote my first book, Compromised: How Money and Politics Drive FBI Corruption, when I got to the end of several Schweizer books. I thought, “How on earth is this allowed to go on?” Time after time, we found that the Department of Justice and the FBI were the beating heart of the so-called Swamp. When we saw conflict of interest waivers granted to Hillary Clinton, or Queen for a day immunity protections when her aides were testifying, we found that the DOJ was also a big problem.
I wrote that book and I got hooked up with John Solomon for Fallout: Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies, and the Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties. That was a really eye opening book. That was before Russia invaded Ukraine. We essentially predicted that if the policies of appeasement from the Obama administration were not rapidly reversed; things like the Russian reset, the Uranium One deal, and other deals that we gave to Russia in 2009 and 2010, then there would be a big conflict. Sure enough, there was.
Mr. Jekielek: Let’s touch on that for one moment. You argue that the policies of appeasement are actually what led Russia to do what it's doing today. People on the conservative side will say, “Just give them Ukraine and that will be fine. It's just because we're aggressors with NATO that they're doing that. We might as well just give them Ukraine. That would be great and we'll be friends again.”
Mr. Bruner: Appeasement never works with strong men. They just take more and more and more, and that has been shown time and again. Ronald Reagan and other great men have said, “Peace through strength.”
Mr. Jekielek: That is not necessarily obvious to everyone. It’s certainly obvious to the Poles and the Czechs who I was speaking with recently. I want to know, who are the controligarchs?
Mr. Bruner: The controligarchs are a group of billionaires, but they're not like your average billionaire. There are over 3000 billionaires in the world. But this is really a group of maybe 20 to 30 globalist thought leaders, not American thought leaders. These are globalist thought leaders and they have this vision for the future that is not something you want to be a part of, but I don't think we're going to have a choice.
Mr. Jekielek: The pandemic was the largest upward transfer of wealth in history. You can actually qualify this, so please do.
Mr. Bruner: With the characters in this book, that's right, it absolutely was. The middle and lower classes lost more than $1 trillion, and the billionaire class added several trillion to their personal net worths. I totalled it up, and the characters in this book were worth approximately $659 billion in 2019. These are men like Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and even Elon Musk makes an appearance. I stopped tracking it in 2022, and by then it was over $1.25 trillion in personal net worth. Nobody can even fathom $1.2 trillion.
Mr. Jekielek: How did you pick the 20 or 30 people that you mentioned out of this larger group?
Mr. Bruner: I started with the Forbes list of billionaires and started at the top. You have Elon Musk at the top, on and off with Bernard Arnault, of Moet/Hennessy/Louis Vuitton, and went down from there. Of course, Mark Zuckerberg is right up there, and Jeff Bezos is right up there. This was not supposed to be some anti-capitalist screed. I'm a fan of capitalism, but these guys are not like your average capitalists. Klaus Schwab features prominently in the book. We were unable to find precisely how much Klaus Schwab is worth, but we know that he has a palatial estate beside the World Economic Forum in Davos. He has coined the term, stakeholder capitalism, which is not at all like free market capitalism. It's much closer to the state-run capitalism they have in China.
Mr. Jekielek: We've been covering these issues quite a bit. We have Roman Balmakov's recent documentary, and we have the “Shadow State,” another documentary. You trace the relationships of people who are controligarchs, and some who are not. What did you find?
Mr. Bruner: I studied the previous billionaires and oligarchs in American history, the Vanderbilts and the Carnegies. I came across the Rockefellers and this book came out of the pandemic. I had heard of the Rockefeller Foundation. I had heard a lot about Bill Gates and the vaccines, and a lot of it sounded like conspiracy theory. I thought to myself, “I'm going to get to the bottom of this. I'm going to see what the Rockefeller Foundation is all about. I'm going to see what Bill Gates' apparent obsession with vaccines and global health is. Is he really just this kind philanthropist who wants to save the world from disease and death?”
It didn't really jive with the stated warnings from Bill Gates that we are overpopulated. I was wondering how could saving more lives lessen the threat of overpopulation? Then you see the so-called conspiracy theories about always trying to depopulate the planet. I just wanted to get to the bottom of that. It really all started with the Rockefellers and the Rockefeller Foundation. It’s about 150 years ago that John D. Rockefeller made the first billion dollar fortune in America.
Mr. Jekielek: Please tell me about the Rockefeller Foundation and what its mandate has been.
Mr. Bruner: John D. Sr. was the best oil man in history. Nobody could get oil out of the ground better than he could. Nobody could develop more uses for the various byproducts of petroleum, and he was just an expert at that. He had a son, John D. Jr. I've read through all of the biographies that are quoted extensively in the book, the ones that were given great access to the Rockefeller archives and to the family.
John D. Jr. really struggled, as a lot of children of enormously wealthy people do. He asked, “How could I ever fill these shoes?” The Rockefellers had an advisor, Frederick Gates, no relation to Bill Gates. Frederick Gates warned that if your money is growing too fast, you have to find ways to get rid of it or else it's going to swallow you up.
Therefore, John D. Jr. really became the great philanthropist of the family, but the things that he started pouring money into were maybe not so great. They were really prototypes for Bill Gates. There's some great overlap in what the Rockefeller Foundation of today is doing with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. They partner on a lot of initiatives, including just last week, a digital ID initiative sponsored by the United Nations.
I went through hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of 990 filings, the IRS nonprofit annual reports, and I crunched the numbers. I found that the Rockefeller Foundation has been investing in global health for about a century. They set up the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in 1904. They began studying viruses and vaccines. I thought, “This is an interesting coincidence.”
The Rockefellers learned that having these global health programs gives you a lot of power around the world. If you go into an African nation and claim that you can cure malaria, they will essentially turn over the keys to their kingdom. This is where this controligarch model was born, where you do well, and then you do good. Then Standard Oil would go in and extract resources from the countries that had these diseases, and it made them much more rich. You see that with Bill Gates today.
Of course, a trillion has four commas, and a billion has three commas, and it's very hard to read these things. You have to count; one, two, three, and then say, “Okay, that's a billion.” Then the wealth transfer remains ongoing. It is happening in the form of inflation where just unfathomable sums have been printed, which dilutes our dollar. It doubles your cost of groceries, in some cases. It doubles the cost that you are paying. Where did that money go?
We've seen that much of it was fraudulently taken from the public coffers via the CARES Act or other legislation. The Biden administration signed this Inflation Reduction Act, which is very prominently featured in the book. How much money from that is right now going into a lot of these green tech companies that benefit the bottom line of these billionaire characters in this book?
The wealth transfer remains ongoing, because of the investments of these controligarchs into these green companies. Now, they often sell their stake before the company goes belly up. But the money from the taxpayers goes into the company that increases that character's bottom line. Then the dollar value is diluted when money is printed to also capitalize these companies. You're losing money in two different ways there.
Mr. Jekielek: Please explain exactly how this inflation actually benefits them. You did dedicate quite a bit of time to this, and it's not necessarily obvious to everyone. Aren't they losing money as well, because the value of those dollars is going down? How does inflation actually benefit the one percent?
Mr. Bruner: When the Inflation Reduction Act, which I should say is inappropriately titled, sets aside $400 billion to invest into green companies, one particular green company will say, “We need $10 million.” One of Bill Gates' companies, TerraPower, has gotten a hundred million dollars in taxpayer funding. I call it welfare for the oligarchs. It is corporate welfare that increases the value of their investments. They subsidize any losses and all of the profits are then privatized. This is a really remarkable thing that I talk about in the book.
Mr. Jekielek: You're not saying that the inflation itself is making the money, it's the activity around the inflation or in these laws that is doing it.
Mr. Bruner: Milton Friedman said there's only one thing that causes inflation, and that is the government increasing the money supply. When the government allots hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars, and we get a $1,600 check, many of these green companies get multimillion dollar checks. Then those green companies grow in value and increase the holdings of their investors, such as Bill Gates. Jeff Bezos is heavily invested in these same kinds of technologies like Rivian, and George Soros is also invested in Rivian. Where do they actually see the returns on that? George Soros dumps his Rivian stock shortly.
Rivian, this electric vehicle company, announces that they have received taxpayer funding to bring a new electric vehicle to market. Investors put their money in when the stock is low, the stock raises and every announcement of more funding from the government raises the stock. The government is invested in this product, and the value goes up.
Then when there are signs that maybe this isn't going to be a great investment, the investors will sell and capitalize on those gains. By the way, the taxpayer funding never gets refunded, so that's how we lose. Our money is devalued. It is invested into a company, and if the company wins, the profits from that are put into the pockets of their investors.
Mr. Jekielek: A common theme with controligarchs is that there is a lot more going on that meets the eye. This is what fuels the conspiracy theories. But in a lot of cases it's a lot simpler, as you're already alluding to. It just could have to do with money and control. Please tell me about that.
Mr. Bruner: With the book, Clinton Cash, this is one of the main reasons I loved that project so much. I was younger then, and was given the intern work of crunching the numbers. I was good with spreadsheets and digging into the weeds. Peter told me, “Why don't you go through the Clinton Foundation documents, the 990s, and total up how much money the Clintons have?” It always starts with really basic questions, “How much did they make and what did they get paid for?”
I went line by line through these IRS filings and the speech payments from Bill Clinton, and I put them all into a spreadsheet. I called it the Clinton Cash Trail, because we're following the money here, and that method has just paid dividends. I built a cash trail for every investigation we went on, whether it's with Burisma and the payments that Hunter Biden received, or some $31 million that the Biden family received from the highest levels of Chinese Communist Party intelligence. You just put the payments into a spreadsheet and you total them up. It is hard, but it's actually simpler than it sounds.
I did that with the controligarchs. I started with net worths and just calculated how much money they made over the course of the pandemic. In many cases, they doubled up or nearly doubled up. In 2019, Mark Zuckerberg was worth about $68 billion. I just checked earlier today and he's now close to $119 billion, so that is quite a large jump.
Elon Musk was probably one of the largest jumps. He's anywhere from $200 to $250 billion. He was down around $20 billion before the pandemic. Now, it's not directly because of the pandemic, but from various factors. In the case of Facebook, everybody was locked at home and Facebook saw two billion people daily, and it was never that way. Facebook never had two billion people on their app every single day. But during the pandemic, it shot up to about two billion.
That drives the ad revenue and drives the growth of the company, and thus the bottom line of the owner. That was the beginning thesis; these guys have done very well throughout the pandemic. There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories and depopulation stuff going on with Bill Gates. I'd love to separate fact from fiction.
Mr. Jekielek: We know Amazon did really well during the pandemic for obvious reasons, and a lot of big business did very well during the pandemic. A lot of small business was decimated because of the way the rules were constructed. The decisions that were made were terrible for society. Some people say, “This is all an arrangement by these incredibly affluent people to give themselves more wealth and more control.” Other people say, “This was just really gross incompetence and hubris that yielded these kinds of results.They just decided to ignore the underlying science and the voices of reason.” Where do you land on that?
Mr. Bruner: I don't think they are that stupid. I don't think Bill Gates is too stupid to know that masks don't work. Most people realize that, if you're breathing out of a mask and it's winter and you can see your breath coming out. Of course, Dr. Fauci said maybe there’s a droplet here or there. Then you look at China's zero-Covid policy, which they praised. They said that China was being very effective. It had no effect really, and it was totally tyrannical.
Then you see the censorship that comes out of the misinformation of the pandemic, and it is entirely too convenient. I don't have Klaus Schwab saying, “We're doing this for control.” But then he says that the pandemic presents this great opportunity for a reset of capitalism, and he says that we'll build back in a greener way. You think, “Now, what does Covid have to do with green energy?” Is Bill Gates ignoring the underlying science because of some...
Mr. Jekielek: Deeply held belief. We see that a lot. You think that the world works a particular way and you want to make sure that everyone does it right, but they don't have it right. Maybe we need to encourage them to understand things correctly, even though it might be incredibly financially beneficial.
Mr. Bruner: There was a professor at MIT, Joseph Weizenbaum, who had this great quote where he talks about the Silicon Valley guys, people like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates who got their start designing programs, writing software code, and building worlds on the computer. They were essentially the gods of the worlds they constructed. They would fine tune and tinker with the code and it would produce a certain result within their system.
But they have now tried to take that ability from the software world and exert it in the real world. Now, they just turn the dials and ask, “If everybody were to just give up meat,” with no idea what the ripple effects might be. Meat is a great example. They are about to slaughter tens of thousands of cows in Ireland, ostensibly because methane is going to end the planet, or at least in the words of representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It's stuff like that. It may just be hubris, but it does happen to benefit their bottom line.
Mr. Jekielek: The subtitle of Roman Balmakov's new film is, “Will You Eat the Bugs?” They believe that is an actual solution to the climate crisis. Where do you land on this?
Mr. Bruner: They're incredibly nutritious and they don't produce any methane. Bugs are actually a very green food source. No, in all seriousness, the largest edible insect farm in the world is going online this December, and one hundred thousand metric tons of edible Mealworm powder will be shipped all over the world. Bill Gates, of course, is a major investor in several insect-based protein companies. Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are also investing in this food. Why would they do that, if that's not on the agenda?
Mr. Jekielek: Let's switch gears. You've looked into the American oligarchs’ forays into communist China long before I was fully aware of this. Please tell me about that.
Mr. Bruner: That's right. In fact, part of this project grew out of Peter Schweizer's last two books, one being, Red-Handed: How American Elites Get Rich Helping China Win. The thesis is that the elites in America, whether it's on Wall Street or in Silicon Valley or in Washington, look the other way on the human rights abuses and the authoritarian style of its communist government. They just see China as this big money making opportunity. That is certainly true. Companies like Amazon have gotten very wealthy selling Chinese-made goods, by and large.
Yes, there's certainly a profit motive in doing business with China. But it was during the pandemic that they were praising China's response to the pandemic. Anybody could see that China's response to the pandemic not only did not cure Covid in any way, it was extremely destructive. It just so happened that the people who were pushing this policy put a lot of money in their pocket. That's just entirely too convenient.
From there, I went back and asked, “When did Klaus Schwab, who is very complimentary of China, first start loving China?” It goes back to the 1970s. I thought, “Why don't I find out when these characters started loving China? With Rockefeller, I was stunned to find that Standard Oil first sold its first kerosene products in China in 1879. That's roughly 70 years before the Chinese Communist Party was even founded.
The Rockefellers and Standard Oil have been doing business with China ever since the formation of the Chinese Communist Party. Then you get to the World Economic Forum and they boast very proudly on their website how economists from Davos and from the West went to China and helped Deng Xiaoping with the reforms that opened up China. Henry Kissinger, of course, was instrumental in opening up relations with China.
It started to look more and more like China was a hybrid model of communism and capitalism that was coaxed and helped along by Western economists. Now, Klaus Schwab wants to form a very similar system that he calls stakeholder capitalism. It has the elements of censorship on dissent and cracking down on dissent. It is a government that is watching you everywhere you go with the digital ID.
Ultimately, the end game chapter is a CCP-style social credit score system where if you post the wrong thing you get online demerits. Just last week, Congress passed a kill switch for every new vehicle after 2026. Ostensibly, the government needs to be able to shut your car down for national security reasons. But it's not exactly clear why you would need to be able to shut someone's car down. It sounds like something that China would want to be able to do.
Time and again, when you see the human rights abuses and the crackdowns on dissent and all of the terrible things that you see in China, our elites love those things. They praise the crackdowns. They say, “China is our adversary in America, or maybe they are our competitor in America.” China is not the adversary of Silicon Valley or Wall Street. It's really their partner.
Mr. Jekielek: I'm becoming more and more of a free speech absolutist, but that's not exactly true. I've actually been studying the First Amendment, what it means, and what is protected speech. The First Amendment is actually a lot more than free speech. It's freedom of conscience, freedom of assembly, and freedom of press. These are the core human rights. When I see those being abridged, that means everything is going to be abridged.
Mr. Bruner: You're absolutely right about that. The pandemic showed that those rights, like freedom of association, were obliterated. People were arrested and pastors were arrested for holding church services and that violated freedom of religion too. But your freedom of speech was curtailed if you questioned the so-called science. These are core principles of America that were essentially done away with a wave of a wand.
A lot of people will think, “Well, the pandemic is over. I've read about the pandemic and it's over.” No, the pandemic was a blueprint for the future. There will be crisis after crisis after crisis, and then there will be climate change. Klaus Schwab is the one who built the bridge from the pandemic to climate change.
He says that we have to rebuild in a greener way. If you question climate change, you're called a denier, of course. They're using climate change in the same way that they used Covid to change our behavior and change our way of life. Gavin Newsom in California has announced that they will be banning gas-powered vehicles.
In Europe, they're banning certain types of fertilizers. This is why the Dutch farmers were protesting. It's effectively a takeover of the energy industries that run our lives. Energy touches on everything; health, food, and information. Information is possibly the most critical industry that should not be tightly controlled, as you said, with you being a free speech absolutist. If you can't freely share information because the Big Tech platforms are always trying to clamp down on everything in concert with the government, you're totally in the dark and you've lost everything.
Mr. Jekielek: You mentioned Elon Musk as one of these characters, yet his position on a number of issues, like free speech, seems to be very different. Why do you include him?
Mr. Bruner: I applaud Elon Musk for all he's done with Twitter and just being one of the lone dissenting billionaires out there who's using his wealth to help the people share information on X, formerly Twitter. But he is certainly a true believer in climate change. He's built his fortune on Tesla, which is an electric vehicle company. This is one of those ironic things.
There is tons and tons of research and studies that show that at the end of the day, electric vehicles are just as polluting as gas-powered vehicles, due to the pit mining of the lithium, to the entire production of the batteries. That requires a ton of energy. I don't put Elon fully in the oligarch camp. In the book, some of the initiatives he funds are mentioned. He's got a technocratic streak, and his grandfather was really the godfather of technocracy in Canada.
Technocracy holds that the elites, the engineers, and the scientists are much better at making decisions than the people. Technocracy is an inherently undemocratic system. Elon shows this technocratic streak with Neuralink, one of the things that we get into in the book. Its ambitions seem slightly dystopian with psychic text messaging or whatever they're trying to work on.
Mr. Jekielek: It is dystopian, but it’s all about people with disabilities. You can imagine incredible breakthroughs with this technology. You have people learning how to speak just using their thoughts through these interfaces. There are many benevolent examples of the use of these technologies.
Mr. Bruner: Yes. Those are the thin edges of the wedge. Who could be against a paraplegic person receiving the ability to walk? But that is not the end goal of technologies like Neuralink. There's a company, BlackRock Neurotech, which is putting microchips into brains. Elon Musk, when he describes Neuralink, the things that he appears most excited about are the uploading. He's claimed to have uploaded his brain to the cloud. Ultimately, these tech guys, they have this ambition to live forever. They all speak about it, that mRNA technology is something that can really extend life. Have you come across any of this World Economic Forum visionary Yuval Noah Harari's writings or teachings?
Mr. Jekielek: Of course.
Mr. Bruner: Harari says that it's going to be a new class caste system. Not everybody's going to be able to get the bio-upgrades and the live forever, microchip-type thing. There is going to be a class that can have that, and a class that cannot have that.
Mr. Jekielek: And maybe a class that doesn't want to have it.
Mr. Bruner: Yes, of course, and a class that doesn't want to have it too. As long as it's an option, then that's no problem. But with AI, we don't really seem to have a voice in how fast this technology is speeding up. It doesn't seem like there's even time to have a conversation about it. Study after study shows that the AI revolution is amazing and you could find a cure to a disease. But what if the result is that 40 percent of the U.S. workforce cannot find a job and is just relegated to welfare and poverty.
OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, which is making these technologies, is funding study after study on universal basic income. With universal basic income, do people think that they're going to get a UBI [Universal Basic Income] of $1 million a year and get to live the lifestyle of the very wealthy? No, it's going to be approximately $20,000 to $30,000 a year. There won't be a way to climb up. America is so loved and cherished as a place where one can climb the ranks and build a life for oneself. But there will be this more impoverished class.
Mr. Jekielek: This is being sold as just inevitable, so you have to come up with a solution.
Mr. Bruner: Inevitable, and nobody gets a vote. That's one of the things the book really gets into. I've tracked the politicians for over a decade, but the thing about politicians is they're elected and therefore they're accountable to their voters. None of the people in this book were elected. Klaus Schwab wasn't elected. Bill Gates hasn't been elected as the leader of public health. He just assumed that role because of the amount of wealth he has accumulated. If they're not elected, then they're not accountable. You can't really have a society where the leaders are not held accountable.
Mr. Jekielek: You've mentioned the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab a number of times. I've heard a wide range of ideas about what this is and how much influence it truly has. What did you find?
Mr. Bruner: By now, everybody has heard of the World Economic Forum and Davos. Like you, I heard a range of things that sounded like conspiracy theories. Again, I followed the money. I decided to add up the market capitalization of the World Economic Forum members and found that the top 25 members, companies like Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook, are worth $10 trillion.
That doesn't include BlackRock, which is the largest asset manager in the world and central to a lot of the World Economic Forum initiatives. BlackRock has approximately $10 trillion under management. You add in State Street and Vanguard, the other largest asset managers, and it puts the value of the companies that fund Davos, with leaders like Larry Fink or people on the board of the WEF, at over $20 trillion now.
The WEF members control more than the entire GDP [Gross Domestic Product] of the United States, and more than the GDP of China. Those are the top GDPs in the world. They're more powerful, economically speaking, than pretty much any country in the world. I thought Davos only popped up on the radar a few years ago. It actually has been around since the 1970s or just after Klaus Schwab left Harvard. He was a pupil of Henry Kissinger when Kissinger was at Harvard.
He goes and sets up this European management symposium that becomes the World Economic Forum. But then I found these abiding connections to an organization called The Club of Rome. There's a famous book that The Club of Rome sponsored called, The Limits to Growth, which really precedes global warming and global cooling, and it’s certainly before climate change.The Limits to Growth says that there is a finite number of resources.
Everybody has heard this. There's a finite number of resources on planet Earth, and if we continue growing at the rate we're growing, we're all going to run out of resources and we're all going to die. It's a Malthusian point of view, which is we're running out of resources and therefore people need to sacrifice. It's also very advantageous to the people who subscribe to its view, and it's been adapted over time.
If you read, like I did for this book, every Club of Rome report dating back to The Limits to Growth, they always amend them. You can actually see this progression from overpopulation, to global cooling, to global warming, then to the holes in the ozone layer. Finally, we arrived at climate change, which is perfect. Because whether the temperatures go up or down, whether there are more storms or less, or whether there are droughts, it's always attributed to climate change. That gets back to the thing I said about it being unfalsifiable—no matter what the climate does, it's human caused.
There's one particular Club of Rome report that states, and I'll sum it up in a short quote, "The enemy of humanity is humanity itself." We went looking for a common enemy that could unite all nations. At the time, we found that overpopulation would unite all nations, and that the enemy of humanity is humanity itself. That organization was the beginning of the World Economic Forum. The World Economic Forum and the Club of Rome co-sponsored events. The leaders of each organization would be the keynote speakers for the other. There is this deep relationship between an organization that's founded on overpopulation, and the organization that's now leading the climate change debates.
The United Nations is a frequent partner of the World Economic Forum, and is a frequent partner of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. It sounds kooky, but you can look at their websites, and they certainly do have an agenda. It's called Agenda 2030. The Digital ID is going to roll out in 50 countries within five years according to the United Nations and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Yes, crises equal opportunities in the world for Klaus Schwab and these types.
Mr. Jekielek: I always try to leave time to talk about possible solutions. What do people like you and I do?
Mr. Bruner: We need to spread the word, which is so important. Shows like yours and organizations like the Government Accountability Institute are so important for us to put the information out in succinct ways. We're talking about thousands and thousands of pages that one has to read. Nobody has time to do that. Step one is to read the information, share the information, and share documentaries like Roman's, which was a fantastic documentary. Share The Epoch Times, and share our work.
Read this book, because information is the first step. You need to see the playbook that these individuals who want to reshape all of society have put out there very publicly. But it's also in hard-to-find places. In terms of your health, you need to be very conscious of what you're eating, what you're funding, what you're putting in your body, and what you're putting in your mind in terms of the information and the apps like TikTok or Instagram.
You need to be watching what your children are watching, and making sure that they're not consuming things like this. You really need to take more responsibility over your life and the life of your family members. Make sure that they're not just slipping into the dystopian present. The hard thing about all of this is that they make it very convenient. These controligarchs make it very convenient. Mark Zuckerberg is working very hard on this Metaverse. It hasn't really taken off yet, but Microsoft is also working on this augmented reality. Of course, Apple is working on its Vision Pro. We haven't yet seen what long-term effects are of living in cyberspace and just living on your devices. But we're starting to see that, and it does not look good.
Mr. Jekielek: You're saying go back to the basics.
Mr. Bruner: That's exactly right. Yes, go back to the basics, and I think we are seeing that. We see a craving for authenticity and the real world, not AI, and not living on the computer. Anytime you just go outside and spend a good amount of time outside, you very often feel better.
Mr. Jekielek: Seamus Bruner, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show.
Mr. Bruner: Thanks, Jan.
Mr. Jekielek: Thank you all for joining Seamus Bruner and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I'm your host, Jan Jekielek.
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